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  Anthony Morris - The Higher Education Broadcast

  by pale.emperor in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  last night i had jw broadcasting on in the background while i was working, i like to keep up to date with their crap.

  which is strange because when i actually was a jw i hated reading or watching their material.. anyway, on the streaming section, anthony morris comes on screen telling me that higher education is bad and "the better the university, the greater the danger".

  i never would have believed it if i hadn't seen him say it myself.

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  Bungi Bill

  They know how important professionals are to their org. They use them all the time.

  Too right they do - and always have done!

  As people would express it down in this part of the world "They ought to be shot with a ball of their own $h#t!"
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  JW apologetics websites.

  by Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  lately i have been studying some basic christology and jesus in the old testament and why first christians believed jesus was god in the flesh.

  really interesting stuff.

  i am not really sure if i fully understand it but i do now realize why pastors go to university and bible school for a number of years and also how their beliefs are not just based on a few verses that can be edited in the nwt.

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  Now my question here is when you were in , did you understand the incredibly complex and twisted explanations of the WTS or did those briefcase full of books just make you sleep better at night.
  

  As I said earlier, there was a time when I thought that I did.

  (And we all know what Thought did!)
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  JW apologetics websites.

  by Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  lately i have been studying some basic christology and jesus in the old testament and why first christians believed jesus was god in the flesh.

  really interesting stuff.

  i am not really sure if i fully understand it but i do now realize why pastors go to university and bible school for a number of years and also how their beliefs are not just based on a few verses that can be edited in the nwt.

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  Bungi Bill

  Joe Grundy

  The 'unanimity of beliefs' of the 'first christians' seems to me to be a myth,

  I think you just nailed it!

  That is why councils such as that held in Nicea in AD 325 were convened - i.e. to try and establish some common ground.
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  tidbits from recent C.O. visit

  by nowwhat? in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  "all people in the world are currently considered enemies of god" gee i wonder where some poeple get the idea that we are an extremist organization.. " jehovahs chariot is moving forward at blazing speed!

  " in what reality is contraction and downsizing moving forward?.

  "it used to be that if a congregation reached 150 publishers we would split into 2 congregations now if we have 2 congs.

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  Bungi Bill

  It has been nearly 25 years since I last attended a kingdom hall during a CO's visit. It sure does not sound like I have missed much!
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  JW apologetics websites.

  by Steel in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  lately i have been studying some basic christology and jesus in the old testament and why first christians believed jesus was god in the flesh.

  really interesting stuff.

  i am not really sure if i fully understand it but i do now realize why pastors go to university and bible school for a number of years and also how their beliefs are not just based on a few verses that can be edited in the nwt.

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  Bungi Bill

  B. When you were in , did you think or ever think you understood the bamboozle.

  There actually was a time when I reckoned that I did fully understand the whole piece about the trinity:

  - but that was when I had only heard the WTS's version of things.

  At that stage, I had read everything I could get my hands on that the WTS had written about this matter (heavily laced, as it was, with selected quotations from Alexander Hislop's The Two Babylons). Little did I then realise that the concept of the trinity was something fiercely disputed over a period of several centuries during the early Christian era - and definitely not something to be fully comprehended from an eight second TV sound bite (or similar)!

  These days, I identify with the sentiment expressed by Steve2

  I personally could give a tinker's cuss whether the God of the Bible is one, two or three in one.

  Bloody good one!

  
  
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  In the yearbooks, why 'lands' not 'countries'?

  by LoveUniHateExams in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  why does watchtower say that the 'world-wide preaching work' occurs in x amount of lands, not countries?

  well, i have a theory.

  hear me out.

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  Bungi Bill

  LUHE

  - by Crikey, you may just have a point there, too!
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  Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

  by kpop in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

  how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

  how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

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  Bungi Bill

  The need is more for surgical precision, rather than a "Kick the Saloon Door Down and Let Drive with the Six Guns" approach is all I was trying to say!
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  Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

  by kpop in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

  how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

  how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

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  Bungi Bill

  The more we bomb them the more we will create martyrs and Angry Young Men.

  This was certainly what happened in South Vietnam; each air raid that caused "Collateral Damage" only created more ready recruits for the Viet Cong. Before that, the French encountered a similar situation in Algeria.

  Who was it that said "Those who forget the lessons of the past are doomed to repeat them"?
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  Number of Muslims protesting London terrorist attack = ZERO. Number of Muslims protesting forced Mosque closure in France = HUNDREDS

  by kpop in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  so it is now two days after another islamic terrorist attack.

  how many muslims are in the streets protesting and condemning this evil?

  how many are marching in all the big cities condemning this in mass protests?.

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  Bungi Bill

  Actually, The Crusades were launched in response to an appeal for help by the (Christian) Byzantine Emperor. He was facing encroachment by the Seljuk Turks into his eastern territories (modern day Turkey). Unable to contain the threat entirely on his own, the emperor appealed for help from Western Europe. The First Crusade was raised in direct response to that call.

  However, the crusaders showed little inclination to deal with the Seljuk Turks. Instead, they marched on from Constantinople (modern day Istanbul), intent on carving out empires for themselves in the Near East. Rather than helping their fellow Christians in Constantinople, a later crusade even sacked that city, delivering to the Byzantine Empire a blow from which it never recovered.

  Crusader rule in the Near East was even more heavy-handed than that of the Muslim (Arab) rulers they supplanted. This was especially true of their treatment of the local Christian communities, which were quite significant in number. Brutality on the part of The Crusaders was only exceeded by that of the Mongols, who invaded the Near East several centuries later. These Mongol armies themselves contained a number of Christians, mainly from the Nestorian branch of Christianity.

  Of course, excesses on the part of "Christian" Crusaders and others in no way excuse acts of terrorism, such as we have just witnessed in Westminster.
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  So according to the bible, "believing" is enough to have everlasting life.

  by NikL in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i am certain this has been brought up many times before.

  according to john 6.... 44 no man can come to me unless the father, who sent me, draws him,+ and i will resurrect him on the last day.+ 45 it is written in the prophets: ‘they will all be taught by jehovah.+ everyone who has listened to the father and has learned comes to me.

  46 not that any man has seen the father,+ except the one who is from god; this one has seen the father.+ 47 most truly i say to you, whoever believes has everlasting life.+.

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  Bungi Bill

  Particularly back in the days when the WTS set very definite standards for what contituted a "Regular Publisher", we were all led to believe that unless one "reported" each month :

  - 10 hours of Field Service,

  - the "placement" 12 magazines,

  - a certain minimum of "back calls"

  - and the conducting of at least one Bible Study

  .... then we could safey assume we were all done for.

  They certainly read much into the expression "Believe in Jesus Christ"!